Hold up — I had a great time talking to the RIAA guy

In this Decoder interview, RIAA CEO and chairman Mitch Glazier talks with Nilay Patel about how AI has aligned artists, labels, and fans against big AI companies training on work without permission, and about the legal complexity of AI deepfakes, bans, and detection and labeling systems. Glazier describes the RIAA's structure — a 46-person organization in Washington, D.C., that began as a tech standards body, runs the gold and platinum program, and handles lobbying, litigation, and content protection — and contrasts the $11 billion U.S. recorded music business with a single AI company's $2 trillion market cap. He argues that fans will ultimately decide the market, that labeling matters, and that securing creators' basic rights must come first.